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	<title>Comments on: Orson Scott Card Defends Intelligent Design</title>
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		<title>By: Shab</title>
		<link>http://www.anthonares.net/2006/01/orson-scott-card-defends-intelligent.html#comment-36009</link>
		<author>Shab</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I read that article and he's not defending ID at all, in fact he's shooting it straight down.  He is however also shooting Darwinism down, which he argues is a scientific dogma.  Evolution and what he refers to as Darwinism are not the same thing.  Evolution is a theory that we are still building on and learning about, that's why we have the study of evolution.  This is what Card says, and I couldn't put it better myself:

"Evolution happens and obviously happened in the natural world, and natural selection plays a role in it. But we do not have adequate theories yet to explain completely how evolution works and worked at the biochemical level." 

His argument is that just because we don't yet understand absolutely everything about evolution doesn't mean it's not true.  It took 200 years after Newton discovered gravity, for Einstein to come along and figure out how it works.  This is how real science works, and both ID and Darwinism are misrepresentations of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I read that article and he&#8217;s not defending ID at all, in fact he&#8217;s shooting it straight down.  He is however also shooting Darwinism down, which he argues is a scientific dogma.  Evolution and what he refers to as Darwinism are not the same thing.  Evolution is a theory that we are still building on and learning about, that&#8217;s why we have the study of evolution.  This is what Card says, and I couldn&#8217;t put it better myself:</p>
<p>&#8220;Evolution happens and obviously happened in the natural world, and natural selection plays a role in it. But we do not have adequate theories yet to explain completely how evolution works and worked at the biochemical level.&#8221; </p>
<p>His argument is that just because we don&#8217;t yet understand absolutely everything about evolution doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not true.  It took 200 years after Newton discovered gravity, for Einstein to come along and figure out how it works.  This is how real science works, and both ID and Darwinism are misrepresentations of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lebon</title>
		<link>http://www.anthonares.net/2006/01/orson-scott-card-defends-intelligent.html#comment-33294</link>
		<author>Lebon</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 07:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Intelligent Design (ID)


ID is most often and wrongly linked to God and creationism, as opposed to Darwinism and evolutionism. We are there in fact facing an old philosophical problem transposed this time from man to the universe: the difficult and even impossible distinction between what is innate and what is acquired. But the reader of my pages http://controlled-hominization.com/ will perhaps agree that evolutionism is not in contradiction with all forms of ID. As a materialist, I think that the confrontation between both concepts is sterile and that a synthesis is even possible. 
If any great complexity of a feature could not exclude evolutionism, science itself could not reject some forms of ID in the evolution of the universe, at least in some steps of the process. After all, man himself is already a local actor in this evolution, an actor showing little intelligence so far (global warming, life sciences …). He could however be led to play a greater and nobler part if he succeeds to survive long enough (dissemination of life in the cosmos, “terraforming” of planets, planetary and even stellar formation, artificial beings…). The development of this kind of “draft ID” could only be limited by our refusal to do so and by our ability to survive. We would be viewed as gods by our ancestors from the middle Ages, and we would also view our descendants as gods if we could return in a few hundreds or thousands years. 
By his refusal to consider that intelligence could already have played a significant part in the evolution of this universe, man takes in fact for granted that he is the most advanced being. It is in fact just another way for placing himself once again in the middle of everything, as for the Earth before Galileo. This anthropocentric view is not very rational. 
Within the frame of evolutionism, the concept of ID could however be applied to the future man if he manages to survive long enough to be able to play a significant part in the evolution of this solar system, in the galaxy, and why not more. And it could also apply to eventual advanced ET preceding man in this cosmic part, advanced ET who could for instance, thanks to their science, have already played a significant part, even if they were themselves born from random processes. 
Without going back to a controversial God, pure intelligence born from random processes is so far too easily ignored in the evolution of this universe, and I think that this choice has more to do with faith in man’s solitude in the universe than with true science. Even if it appears later that the ID concept has yet never been used by other beings in this universe, what could prevent man from applying it in the future? As with the Big Bang, ID would certainly remain in the field of hypotheses, but science progresses that way, and it would not be scientific to exclude one hypothesis that could be quite credible. ID is too easily discarded and laughed at, somewhat like continental drift not long ago, and a lot of other concepts too. 
Benoit Lebon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Intelligent Design (ID)</p>
<p>ID is most often and wrongly linked to God and creationism, as opposed to Darwinism and evolutionism. We are there in fact facing an old philosophical problem transposed this time from man to the universe: the difficult and even impossible distinction between what is innate and what is acquired. But the reader of my pages <a href="http://controlled-hominization.com/" rel="nofollow">http://controlled-hominization.com/</a> will perhaps agree that evolutionism is not in contradiction with all forms of ID. As a materialist, I think that the confrontation between both concepts is sterile and that a synthesis is even possible.<br />
If any great complexity of a feature could not exclude evolutionism, science itself could not reject some forms of ID in the evolution of the universe, at least in some steps of the process. After all, man himself is already a local actor in this evolution, an actor showing little intelligence so far (global warming, life sciences …). He could however be led to play a greater and nobler part if he succeeds to survive long enough (dissemination of life in the cosmos, “terraforming” of planets, planetary and even stellar formation, artificial beings…). The development of this kind of “draft ID” could only be limited by our refusal to do so and by our ability to survive. We would be viewed as gods by our ancestors from the middle Ages, and we would also view our descendants as gods if we could return in a few hundreds or thousands years.<br />
By his refusal to consider that intelligence could already have played a significant part in the evolution of this universe, man takes in fact for granted that he is the most advanced being. It is in fact just another way for placing himself once again in the middle of everything, as for the Earth before Galileo. This anthropocentric view is not very rational.<br />
Within the frame of evolutionism, the concept of ID could however be applied to the future man if he manages to survive long enough to be able to play a significant part in the evolution of this solar system, in the galaxy, and why not more. And it could also apply to eventual advanced ET preceding man in this cosmic part, advanced ET who could for instance, thanks to their science, have already played a significant part, even if they were themselves born from random processes.<br />
Without going back to a controversial God, pure intelligence born from random processes is so far too easily ignored in the evolution of this universe, and I think that this choice has more to do with faith in man’s solitude in the universe than with true science. Even if it appears later that the ID concept has yet never been used by other beings in this universe, what could prevent man from applying it in the future? As with the Big Bang, ID would certainly remain in the field of hypotheses, but science progresses that way, and it would not be scientific to exclude one hypothesis that could be quite credible. ID is too easily discarded and laughed at, somewhat like continental drift not long ago, and a lot of other concepts too.<br />
Benoit Lebon</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Assaf</title>
		<link>http://www.anthonares.net/2006/01/orson-scott-card-defends-intelligent.html#comment-190</link>
		<author>Francis Assaf</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evolution is science, ID is not.

orson Scott card may ba a respected science-fiction author, but his piffle about ID/evolution is just mere flapdoodle.  When Nilles Eldredge or jared Diamolnd come up with some solid evidence invalidating the theory of evolution, then I'll listen.</description>
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<p>orson Scott card may ba a respected science-fiction author, but his piffle about ID/evolution is just mere flapdoodle.  When Nilles Eldredge or jared Diamolnd come up with some solid evidence invalidating the theory of evolution, then I&#8217;ll listen.</p>
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